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14 years 11 months ago #11477 by tim205
The site is facecrooks.com.

I am an admin of the page, and I'm trying to add myself as a fb:admins. Please advise the sytax that should be used. I have tried several different ways and none are working.

I also want to add the app_id. Would we use the app_id of the application we created to work with the JFBconnect module? Also, please provide proper syntax to include this.

Once this is configured properly, when a facebook user likes something on our webpage will it be tied to facecrooks.com so that we receive seo benefits?

Once the site wide open graph properties are established, where would you put the tags for each individual article? (url, title, description, type, image, etc.) Would it be in the meta data information section of the K2 item?

I'm sure I'll have more questions, but I'll stop here for now. :)

Thanks,
Tim
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14 years 11 months ago #11483 by alzander
Replied by alzander on topic Open Graph Configuration
In the next release of JFBConnect, we'll automatically be adding the app_id tag to all pages (when Open Graph integration is enabled). To do it now, for both parameters, we recommend going to the Social configuration area, clicking on the Open Graph tab, and making sure Open Graph integration is enabled. Next, use the big area below that for setting the defaults and enter:
app_id=12345
admins=12345,654321,88888,etc

Yes, you should set your App ID for the application used on your site (as set in the Facebook API tab).

Regardless of these settings, likes will automatically be for your site. All Likes on your page are tied to the URL that was liked. This occurs regardless of the Open Graph tags. However, JFBConnect does do some checks and extra things to make sure the URL is the 'best' URL to be liked (by removing unnecessary query strings and other things that could make non-unique URLs). All of this is meant to focus your Likes on the proper page, instead of spreading them out among multiple URLs that work for the same page.

Finally, for SEO benefits, I believe Bing is the only search engine that has stated they use Like data to modify rankings. Google currently (and likely will not in the future) use this for rankings.

As for K2, if you're already setting the title and description in K2, JFBConnect will automatically use those for the Open Graph values as well. You may want to set a default type and image in the defaults area, as above:
image=http://site.com/default-image.jpg
type=webpage

Then, in each article, you can override any of these settings (title, description, image, etc) with our easy-tags:
{JFBCGraph title=Best title for article}
{JFBCGraph image=http://site.com/best-image.jpg}

Hope that answers your questions!
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14 years 11 months ago #11497 by tim205
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Thanks for the information!

Do I put the override tags for the articles in the meta data information tab? Also, I'm assuming I would use the tag in addition to the normal meta data description since Google doesn't use that information. I just wanted to make sure before setting it up that way.

Thanks!
Tim
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14 years 11 months ago #11507 by alzander
Replied by alzander on topic Open Graph Configuration
Tim,
You can put the overrides anywhere on the page, and JFBConnect will find them. This can be in the article's content area, in a custom HTML module (good if you're not on an article page) or even in a template file itself. We scan the output that is meant for the user for the tags, and replace them appropriately.

As for using both tags, yes. They're different in Google's and Facebook eyes. While generally, being the same is good, there are times when you may want to target or describe your pages differently for Google/Search Engines vs Facebook.

Good luck,
Alex
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14 years 10 months ago #11712 by miamiman
Replied by miamiman on topic Open Graph Configuration
Sorry Alzander,

But the Open Graph option has me confused.

Is this the same as: "How can I get an SEO boost from the comments left on my site?" per developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/comments/

If not/if so, are your general recommendations to enable Open Graph? and to set app_id=####?
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14 years 10 months ago #11726 by alzander
Replied by alzander on topic Open Graph Configuration
Yes, we recommend enabling Open Graph integration, and at the very least, setting the following default values for your site: title, description, image, and app_id (we'll be setting app_id by default in the next release)

Enabling and using Open Graph allows you, the administrator, to determine how each page on your site should be represented when it's shared in Facebook via a like, comment or other method of sharing. When a user share's content from your site with their friends, that's your opportunity to really make sure that your page is represented in the best way possible, which can attract more users to your site. Without Open Graph tags, when a page is shared, Facebook (or in some cases the user) determines the title, description, image, and other information to represent your page.. which may not always be the best.

Hope that makes sense. Yes, the Open Graph stuff takes additional effort, and if there's any suggestions on how you think we can improve the integration and/or make it simpler, we'd love to hear it.

Thanks,
Alex
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14 years 7 months ago #15156 by stewal
Replied by stewal on topic Open Graph Configuration
The Facebook Developers article on Comments (developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/comments/) under "Can I get an SEO boost...?) says that there is a way to cache and display the text from comments underneath the comments iframe for SEO purposes using the Graph API. Is there any support for this with JFBConnect? Wondering if there is any way to make the Facebook content on my site "crawlable" by the search engines.

Thanks!
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14 years 7 months ago #15161 by alzander
Replied by alzander on topic Open Graph Configuration
Not yet. We looked into adding this the 4.0 release, but realized there was an unacceptable performance hit with trying to load them in real time. We're hoping in the 4.1 or 4.2 release to cache the comments in the database, which will allow us to display them hidden, and even do some other nifty things like reading them in the admin area. Still in the planning stages, so don't hold me to anything :)

Thanks for the suggestion,
Alex
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14 years 7 months ago #15163 by stewal
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Thanks for the quick reply. Glad to hear you're adding support for this. You're right that the info needs to be cached (which FB recommends for the same reason).

I just read today that Google is crawling javascript/AJAX rendered content in iframes (such as FB comments). Google confirmed this. Some folks have found FB comments in the indexed versions of their sites. I haven't been able to test it cause my site is in production and crawling is disabled. This is now all over the internet. Search: 'google facebook cooments'.

Important note: the capability we were discussing allows for better privacy. The iframe ALT text could prevent displaying the user's real name assuming you could also stop Google from crawling the FB iframe. Maybe google has a way of filtering this though. Another Facebook privacy concern... Problem is now your name can be indexed associated with your comments and someone could associate your personal beliefs with your name based on a comment, whereas comments on FB are only visible to those you choose.

news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57318871-93/sa...g-facebook-comments/
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14 years 7 months ago #15170 by alzander
Replied by alzander on topic Open Graph Configuration
Stephen,
Yeah, we read that too, which is awesome for a lot of reasons. Doesn't directly change our plans for implementing the caching, because there are cool things we can allow for as far as searching comments and moderation, but it relieves a little pressure to get it done in 4.1 (and adding more features later) vs getting more done possibly in the 4.2 release... leaving time for other cool features in 4.1.

As for privacy, yes, scanning comments may make it more public.. but when you're leaving comments on a public website, there isn't much of an expectation of privacy. If we had been doing a hidden div with the comments, that would have exposed all the comments and user's names previously as well, and been just as public as Google digging into the iFrame. Generally speaking, if you're concerned about your comments being seen on the web, they shouldn't be in a public context to begin with... regardless of what kind of commenting system is used.

Hope that makes sense,
Alex
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