Topic-icon Agreement to Privacy Policy + Terms of Use when at Social Registration

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For REGISTRATION: If Social Authentication succeed (email delivered) i got a new user and User in my case get a activation link by email. After clicking this link and log in the user gets redirected (from joomla i guess) to the edit profile page.

Another ugli page with tons of unneccessary information but also the agreement to the privacy policy (which i also guess is the reason for redirecting). Also it shows me the menu which is priveleged for registered users only what means the user is already logged in and gets redirected only after.

This solution is so worst. Isn't there a way to start with agreement (and sure for privacy policy AND terms of use) BEFORE the user may social register.

Anyhow. If this happens after it should show and gather both privacy policy and terms of use. Why there is only the privacy policy ? With normal registration it asks me for both. My Joomla is setup to gather both and its also needed. A nice page for this from your side would be more then obligatory.
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After clicking this link and log in the user gets redirected (from joomla i guess) to the edit profile page.

JFBConnect doesn't control the activation process. We create the user and let Joomla know the user needs to be activated. We then rely on Joomla to take care of the activation. I'm not sure if there's a way to change where the user is redirected after they activate their account.

I'm unsure of your need for activation. If you have a site that restricts users and you want to approve them, then activation makes a lot of sense. If you're enabling activation to ensure the user's email address is correct, you may want to try turning it off *for social network accounts* in JFBConnect. You can still use activation for users that register through Joomla, which is a good way to prevent spam accounts. Social networks generally vet accounts and disable spammy ones altogether. By disabling activation for social registrations, you let users into your site quicker. This also lets you control the New User Redirection page to a customized page for your User Agreement and Privacy policy.

Just a thought :)

This solution is so worst. Isn't there a way to start with agreement (and sure for privacy policy AND terms of use) BEFORE the user may social register.

There really isn't a good option or way that we know to do this. During the registration/login process, the user is redirected to the social networks to authenticate. There's not a way for us to know, before they authenticate, whether they already have an account or not. Since we don't know if they have an account already or not, Joomla (or JFBConnect) can't show them the privacy policy and other agreements until after they've authenticated with the social network.

What are you using to show the Privacy Policy and User Agreements? Is this the built-in GPDR functionality of Joomla 3.9, or something else? I'm not sure why users created through JFBConnect would be treated differently than ones created through Joomla. Can you check in the back end to see if the user has accepted the Privacy or User Agreements after they register with a social network? If one of those is checked off automatically, and they didn't actually do it (JFBConnect is somehow auto-approving something), we'll gladly look into it.

How those forms appear though isn't something we have control over though.

Thanks,
Alex
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I do not understand why jfbconnect starts registration but not finish this. Easy way of implementation ? Will you really leave a registration started with a jfbconnect ending in joomla edit profile page ??? This happens also with joomla automatic registration set to on. Then it is directly redirecting to the edit profile page instead of doing this after activate by email.

I think its in the new privacy core elements from joomla. I tried another 3rd party user extension, with which this process works well.

It is essential (and maybe not only for my site) that i gather agreement for both during registration not after. If it is after there is no sense in registration because registration is the authorization process itself.

I use the standard joomla plugins delivered with V3.9 to gather agreement.

I could find a agreement record after registration in the new privacy center but i dont know where i could find this for the terms of use/service. This only with normal joomla registration, this entry is not written during social authentication which is correct because nothing pops up to agree !

I understand the "login" idea to register but this is not legal right at least in europe. If this is not to realize with jfbconnect please let me know to save my breath.
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I do not understand why jfbconnect starts registration but not finish this.

I'm unsure what you mean here, but JFBConnect is meant to be another layer on top of Joomla's registration and login system, not a complete registration and profile management extension on it's own. We use things like Joomla's menu system, user manager, user permissions and many other features of Joomla. For us to re-implement some or all of what is already there isn't necessary and leads to more trouble than it's worth.

We've done some testing with the "User - Terms and Conditions" and know many sites use it. However, we can investigate if there are any better methods for us to integrate with it.

The only way I can see doing this is by sending users to the mini-registration page that JFBConnect has where the user can login or create a new account. On that page, we'd show the T&C's checkbox, like on the standard Joomla registration page. If the user chooses not to select that box, they won't be registered. That's another step during the registration process, and you could test how that would work by simply setting the "Enable Automatic Registration" setting to 'No' in JFBConnect.

Please let me know if the non-automatic registration flow is what you are looking for, with the addition of the T&C checkbox.

Thanks,
Alex
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5 years 2 weeks ago - 5 years 2 weeks ago #65292 by nielsbinder
Yes. it is the non automatic workflow. I dont know what elso the automatic modus is doing, but any "fill in" helper is exeptionally welcome also if an agreement is not to automate.

The example tested workflow is:
Register through facebook button
-> jfbconnect shows the mini registration page
-> there i am able and doing tick both agreements (pp + tos)
-> joomla gets no entry in the new pp admin center agreement tab, i get a new user in joomla and also a jfbconnect user entry
-> joomla redirects to the edit profile page which shows only agreement option for privacy policy not terms of use
-> after agreement of this i get a entry in the pp admin center agreement tab and user is succesfully registrated

One of the side effects is that the process ends with the user end the registration sticking in edit profile page which is not a good welcome at all.
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5 years 2 weeks ago - 5 years 2 weeks ago #65293 by nielsbinder
Futher it was so VERY Nice if only the missing info in Mini Registration Form is shown up and not the whole bunch of information again. This is so bad if it is double and three times ...

What i mean with that jfbconnect should end the process is, that it should be possible to define the landing page
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Sorry for the delay, but I have a few bits of good information for you :)

Futher it was so VERY Nice if only the missing info in Mini Registration Form is shown up and not the whole bunch of information again. This is so bad if it is double and three times ...

What i mean with that jfbconnect should end the process is, that it should be possible to define the landing page

The mini-registration form already has options to hide most fields that are imported or generated. In the JFBConnect->Configuration area, there are options to generate and hide the username, email, password and other fields. If that happens those are generated, they will be hidden, which means in some cases, no fields will show. You can also show the username that is generated, but show it to allow the user to change it, for example. Similarly, you can show the email address from their social network, but let them change it.

In the Profiles area, most social profile plugins also have an option to hide fields that have data being imported into them. That way, you can show the fields that aren't pre-filled, while still collecting extra data.

If that isn't working for you, please let us know what social profile plugins you have enabled.

Regarding GDPR, Privacy Policy and Terms of Service, the upcoming 8.1 release will support showing those fields on the mini-registration page and will throw an error similar to Joomla if they aren't accepted. With that, you'll be able to turn off automatic registration and should have a GDPR compliant site with social registration where accounts aren't created until the user accepts your terms.

We're expecting 8.1 to be released over the next week.

I hope that helps!
Alex
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With 8.1 i get the PP and TOU shown for a existing user. (The ones who register but already have an account). Is this how it should be ?

Is there a workflow sheet to get a better understanding why what when happens during registering ?




REMARK:
Today i renew my password at aliexpess. This is a pretty (bad) example what could happen if coding gets out of control. (You get through different account providers / pages / sozial network auth and more ..)
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I'm not sure how the Aliexpress reset password feature works, so I can't really understand what you went through there.

The T&C's checkbox should only be showing on the registration side of the mini-registration form. Are you seeing it on the login side of the form, where a user can connect their social network to an already existing account?

We don't have a workflow sheet I can provide. I guess it's not a bad idea, but the main flow is:
Social Authentication -> (Automatic Registration) -> User is logged in, account is created for them automatically if needed
-> (User already logged in through social network) -> User is logged in
-> (Automatic reg disabled) -> User brought to mini-registration page where:
-> They can login to an existing account, T&C/PP should not be required
-> They can register a new account, T&C checkbox shown

Thanks,
Alex
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5 years 1 week ago - 5 years 1 week ago #65314 by nielsbinder
Hi.

I need to set your workflow in context to my (joomlas) workflow. Thanks for trying in words, but this is not really detailed enough and the start and end point is not clear.

My workflow is clearly divided in a complete different process of login and another one for register. As you already name your part "loginregister" this make me the problem to seperate the two tasks.

For conveniance it is maybe good to get a login shown DURING registration but from my point of view it is irritating and unwanted. I not saw this in 8.06 but i am not sure if i just used another procedure, thats why i asked for a workflow sheet to help cover all possibilities.


With Ali express... I think they change and develop these account related stuff by ours or days and this frequently. Every time a customer have a task with his account it is a new way to get it done.
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