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11 years 1 month ago #30985 by uglyeoin
www.joomlaworks.net/extensions/commercial-premium/socialconnect

I'm sure (well fairly sure) that your extension is better. I love it, I love the improvements, I love autotune. But these guys have just added Twitter and a few other things. I'm sure the Twitter one is an easy one to add, you guys are nuts not to have done that already years ago. (it's easy for me to be sure as I don't know anything).

I don't know about demand for Ning for my site, but for other sites yeah sure. I don't know about other features such as MySpace or whatever, but Google and Oauth is a good one, there are quite a lot of comment ones too that may be useful. Definitely worth considering how they position themselves as a login option whereas you don't, BUT I would say that is the main benefit, that and the information that can be gleamed from these sites.
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11 years 1 month ago #30986 by uglyeoin
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Basically they promise more features soon, and they are quite a bit cheaper for the whole lot. Can I request Twitter and Google logins quickly :)
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11 years 1 month ago #30998 by alzander
Replied by alzander on topic You guys are great but...
Eoin,
We agree with you. There's definitely some interesting things in that new extension. We just (as in minutes ago) released v5.0 of JFBConnect and v2.0 of JLinked. With these releases, we moved to a 'shared' profile plugin system the both extensions will use. The whole purpose of that is to allow other social networking integration to be implemented much easier, while still maintaing (and hopefully expanding) our profile import abilities.

Twitter is on the docket next, and should be available in the next few months. Google+ will follow shortly thereafter. Ning is not on our radar at all.

As with everything, how we'll package and price things in the future may likely change. As Joomla 3.0 progresses, which actually has some of the underlying OAuth stuff built in, it will definitely make sense to have a 1-extension solution. The new releases are the first steps in that direction.

Finally, for features, we definitely have those covered with Facebook and LinkedIn. We're not, as you mentioned, just a login provider, though that's a critical aspect of course. Other things to consider are frequency of updates both for features, and for when the social network breaks something, and support itself. We do all of those very well (we think), and it will be seen how well they are handled by SocialConnect.

Thanks again for the feedback. We look forward to Twitter integration soon as well :)
Alex
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11 years 1 month ago #31016 by johnnydement
JFBConnect is way more powerful than socialconnect, you just have to chck the canvas tab to see that, that said, socialconnect has 3 very strong points where JFBC may be lacking a bit
  1. Easyness: Not that JFBC is hard, but socialconnect is just plain dumb, with JFBC you have to deal with long configuration/integration, and then "fight" with SClogin/mod_login to looks how you want and work correctly (in latest beta, I know it's beta, it keeps making me reconnect my fb account)
  2. Looks: Doubt this surprises you, but JFBC is ugly... I hope that for stable or even RC you take advantage of bootstrap to make it prettier, and that login is improved... on the other hand socialconnect is really really appealing, looks awesome, and pretty clean
  3. One for all solution: Face it, many customers just want for their users to be able to registrer/log with their social accounts, don't care about canvas, integration, comments, etc because they already have that covered, don't bother with it, or whatever the reason. the strong points here for JFCB is that integrates your joomla communities with social ones (well, just FB, LinkedIn one does not do same ;)) importing/exporting your status changes, logins, and so, as well as profies and avatar

So in my opinion, JFCB is overally a better product, with many more options, but jomsocialconnect is also improving lots, so unless you start broadening the supported social sites (specially the other 2 big ones, twitter & g+) the competiton may be fierce...
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11 years 1 month ago #31041 by alzander
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Johnny,
Thanks, as always for the feedback.

1) Easyness: Yup, I'll agree we're not as easy. However, if you ever used versions 1 and 2 of JFBConnect, we probably were about as easy then. Adding features always makes things more complex. There's a ton of assumptions we do make for the user and do automatically, without giving the user a choice. Some features need user input though, or have been specifically requested (multiple times) to have options. We're always leary of adding new options, and actually remove them here and there and most users don't ever notice.
Features/Ease is always a balancing act.
The SCLogin module has already been planned to have an overhaul by/in the 5.1 release. That will add lots of different styling options and make it's function much simpler.

2) Yup, we know. Bootstrap is being used widely in the 3.0 release for the admin area. We'll be pulling that back into our 2.5 release over the next few releases. Additionally, as we add more social networks, a complete revamp of the admin area will be required to make sense of it all.

3) I'd greatly disagree here. We do support for all those features, regularly. You can have other solutions for Comments, Like's, etc, but if you do, you're likely having the Javascript library included multiple times (slowing down the page load or conflicting with other features), have Open Graph tags implemented sporadically and/or incorrectly, Page Tab integration can be used very well for customers with a FB Page presence, etc, etc. We don't expect, or recommend, that user's use all the features in our extension. As a site evolves though, those features are ready for the user to take advantage of.
I'm not sure what you mean by:

is that integrates your joomla communities with social ones (well, just FB, LinkedIn one does not do same


Finally, competition has always been fierce, especially for the Login aspect only. There's tons of free and commercial extensions available ( see here ), and have been for a while. SocialConnect is definitely a big player, and we'll be watching, and evolving, just as we have been for more than 4 years now.

Thanks again for the feedback. Suggestions always welcome,
Alex
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11 years 1 month ago #31049 by uglyeoin
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I fully agree, your solution is awesome, I would never knock it, you update regularly, and your support is second to none, I fully appreciate all of your hard work.

I'm just trying to give you some more to do too :)

I've never thought of it as ugly, but what I would say is sometimes an extension is not that good, but it really looks good, and feels more enjoyable to use just because of it. I'd say take a line from YooTheme for this, I'm not sure that their products are any stronger than the competition but they feel much nicer to use.

Why not work with them to develop a new interface?
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11 years 1 month ago #31059 by johnnydement

alzander wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by:
is that integrates your joomla communities with social ones (well, just FB, LinkedIn one does not do same


Thanks for the answer Alex :)

I meaa that as far as I know, JFBC does post in FB when you update in JS for example and in JS when you post in FB, but JLinked does not ( I could be mistaken)

When I said not all clients use all your tools, I was not referring to use another ones to do same instead of yours, that would be a bit stupid from my point of view, but similar, for example for comments, I don't want to have FB comments, I prefer some native ones, like the awesome Komento, or a more powerful platfom, as Disqus, and the rest of FB goodies, they are cool to exists, but I don't pick Sourcecoast above the rest for them, in fact, think the only time I installed them was with first JFBC you published (I picked it in that cmsmarket site), but for the support and integration with other joomla products.

If you are just aiming to get a login extension, and don't care for integration (nor usernames ;)), right now, I would clearly go for socialconnect, if on the other hand, I want crossposting, customization and FB publishing when an article is created, a review is done in jreviews (anotehr of my loves), etc, sourcecoast is the good direction...

That said, currently, twitter may be the most trendy social site, and for sure the one most used for login if you have an account, as the info & power you give to the site is way lower than with FB...
Also with google, it may be less famous than FB, but way more geeky! (and for me way better), but it's not just that but all google products you can sync! think of drive, picasa, etc!

About looks, my biggest concern is SCLogin requires tinkering to get the looks you like (remember this thread ;) www.sourcecoast.com/forums/jfbconnect/jf...or-sclogin-overrides)
I think SCLogin could be greatly improved by giving it backend parameters for all extensions, right now you can configure FB js, text, image) but Linkedin must be overriden :(
Would be great to have a login module I could place anywhere, that I can configure to pop a modal don't you think? ;) I, with my little skills and the little I know of how your extensions work achieved to make it with rokbox, and overrides, so, should not be that hard and would improve the product lots! and the possible clients that get astounded by socialconnet looks, will find same here ;)
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11 years 1 month ago #31111 by alzander
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Johnny,
Gotcha about the differences in JLinked's integration with JomSocial vs JFBConnect. LinkedIn has different terms of service on how you can push and pull data. For pulling into your site, there is a requirement that the user opts into it explicitly when it's about to happen. That's why there is the checkbox on the registration form. We're going to be implementing an automatic registration path soon, similar to JFBConnect, and will be working through the least intrusive way to ask the user for that permission while still abiding by LinkedIn's terms. The same goes for pushing a status update to the user's LinkedIn 'wall'. The act of pushing is very easy. Abiding by the terms to protect our users is what's more difficult, and something we're always careful about.

SCLogin is definitely going to be overhauled over the next month or so for easier styling and with more built-in styles to hopefully get user's closer to where they want from the start. For LinkedIn, we did just implement in the 2.0 release a way to use a custom image button. It's not in the SCLogin as an option, yet, but you can simply use the <a href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="jlinked.login.login()"><img ... /></a> tag anywhere you want. If you want that in your current SCLogin module, I can gladly help you implement that (yes, with an override).

Hope that explains a little more of the inner workings and short term future plans.

Thanks,
Alex
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11 years 1 month ago #31117 by uglyeoin
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Its always refreshing to have such well written, positive and conclusive responses. You'd be surprised how many developers do not have people skills :D
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11 years 1 month ago #31119 by johnnydement

alzander wrote: I can gladly help you implement that (yes, with an override).


I will gladly accpt the help ;) in a few days though, have some urgent issues picking all my time :(
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